Retreat at Twin Lakes Walk Through, Part Two

One month ago, I presented a video walk-through of The Retreat at Twin Lakes from George Zimmerman’s perspective — from the moment he stepped out of his vehicle to the time he says he was punched in the face by Trayvon Martin. 

This is part two of that video. It explores the fateful night of February 26 from Trayvon’s point of view. How accurate is it? I don’t know, but it should help you to better understand the area and the path the young man may have taken.

I received several e-mails from people; each with their unique requests for footage. I wish I could have accommodated you all, but I couldn’t. What I can tell you is that, as of today, two fences are erected along the northwest side of the complex, running south from Oregon Avenue and parallel to the western edge that keep people from entering the way Trayvon allegedly did as described by Zimmerman. There is a locked pedestrian entry alongside the main gate, so there is no reason to access the Retreat from anywhere else, other than the southeast gate. Also, clubhouse parking is restricted to tenants that are using the facility at the time, including the community pool. There is a street sign at the intersection of Retreat View Circle and Twin Trees Lane upon entering from the north, off Oregon Avenue. It is located atop the stop sign on the same corner as the clubhouse. Look for it in the video. It’s interesting to note that Zimmerman could not remember the name of the street, Twin Trees, nor did he notice those signs.

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[nan11]

Awesome and amazing, LLMPapa!!

There is a picture here that is screaming to be painted, and you are the artist with the paint brush.

The timing is much 'tighter' now. I'm beginning to think that Zimmerman never even walked the rest of the way to RVC. I think that story may have been just more lies to cover for the fact that he was pursuing Trayvon.

At approximately 7:13 pm--approximately two minutes into Trayvon's walk--Zimmerman's breathing/running sounds abate. He begins tapping and thumping his flashlight. Within seconds, his tone changes and he asks the dispatcher if he could have the officer call him when the officer gets in the neighborhood.

At approximately 7:16 pm, the gunshot is heard 40 feet from the "T".

We also know the final call with DeeDee initiated at approximately 7:12 pm.

Just some thoughts that are bouncing around in my head, but thank you for this thought provoking video.

[nan11]

You Tube VIDEO | Published on Dec 7, 2012 | TRAYVON'S FATHER A LIAR SAYS COPS

This is at least clips of the interviews that were aired yesterday on Tru TV's 'In Session'.

O'Mara has the 'scenario' a little twisted, according to discovery. In the discovery, it is clearly stated that no one else was present at the 'unrecorded' interview where O'Mara/West are trying to spin their stories about this one said that; and that one said this, bla, bla, bla.

The only other officer mentioned as being within hearing distance is Ceisla. And he, at first anyway, said he could not hear Tracy Martin's reply.

Wouldn't what O'Mara is suggesting that Irwin told O'Connor who told De la Rionda be heresay?

I hope Mr. De la Rionda has requested a copy of this interview for his next gag motion request.

I truly don't want to see a gag order, however, this interview really smacks of putting out false information deliberately--I'l let you decide on the reason why.

Thank goodness for Vinnie Politan.

Some of Mr. Crump's interview is contained in the video, too.

Sorry if I appear to be rambling, I'm working hard at keeping my thoughts blog friendly. : - )

Except for the video, all in moo.

[Great video, nan11! I didn't have the opportunity to watch most of InSession yesterday, so this was a real help. It was also good to see that vinnie isn't swallowing all of O'Mara's crap. O'Mara is a great pursuader because of his eloquence, but he is nothing more than another criminal defense attorney out to save his client at all costs. I think it's very interesting to note that he is going to try his best to keep DeeDee from taking the stand. What a creep... but I do know he's got to do what he's got to do. It's the same thing Casey's defense did. The bottom line has nothing to do with the truth or morals. It's all about the client.

Thanks. It was an eye opener, to say the least. I also think it will be tough to prove the audo recording was edited. She ain't gonna testify during deposition that that's not the way she said it. She will take the stand at trial.]

[nan11]

Dave: According to an article on Click Orlando, Mr. De la Rionda, did issue a brief response:

Quote: In a response Friday, Assistant State’s Attorney Bernardo de la Rionda criticized the defense’s arguments and said Erwin “never mentioned anything about overhearing Tracy Martin talk about the voice.” But the lead prosecutor didn’t object to O’Mara and other lawyers deposing Erwin.

It’s very brief, but I wanted to make note of it.

It really pains me to disagree with you, Dave; but I find nothing eloquent about O’Mara.

In that interview his mouth was so dry he kept having to do his tongue thing to wet it. In some reading material you may find that is a sign of a person telling less than the truth. Albeit, one who is uncomfortable doing so.

At this link you will find a quoted statement from O’Mara. It is from the same interview I linked earlier, only the JQ poster was able to watch the whole thing on TruTV.

A quick summation in my own words: O’Mara said that Zimmerman called for help for 40 seconds and that he (O’Mara) is not sure that he would have waited that long before firing a shot through Trayvon Martin’s heart.

Now that was only on television, not in a court room, but that is pretty much akin to the ‘penis in the mouth’ defense.

First, those screams lasting 40 odd seconds belong to Trayvon Benjamin Martin and he was 17 years old for 21 days. And, secondly, there is absolutely no proof of how Zimmerman (may his name soon be forgotten), received his owies.

So, no, O’Mara is not eloquent. I will not say what he is. imo

[I can certainly understand your feelings, nan11. I don't like what he's doing, either, but this is the life of criminal defense attorneys. My history with O'Mara goes all the way back to the mid-80s and, then, the Casey Anthony trial, and he has always been a consummate gentleman. Of course, I had never seen him in action in the courtroom until now, so I didn't know him other than the way he treated me in person. I will also say that he has an excellent reputation in central Florida among his peers, which also includes judges.

I don't mind you disagreeing with me one bit. I know how hated these types of attorneys can be, and they deserve it at times, but they don't care. Their only job is their client's defense. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see the entire interview, so I don't know how dry his mouth was, but just listening to his voice without looking at him or, let's say, not knowing who he is, he has a very good speaking voice. Just like a politician. Heck, most of them are lawyers, too. Why doesn't that surprise me? And to be honest, I don't like it at all that he claims all this crap as if it's gospel. It is not, and he knows it, too. But Baez did the same thing and he got his client off. That's all these people do. That's why they are hired. Some just lie more than others. Some don't need to as much.]

[SnoopySleuth]

Dave~~the bottom line will be....what impression will Mark O'Mara make on the judge and, if need be, on six jurors? Mark took on the challenge of representing a very unpopular client and for that, he has my deepest respect. He will do everything within the letter of the law. He would never jeopardize his career by doing otherwise. I also doubt that he is intimidated by any bad publicity, in the media and on blogs, and expected this when he took on the case. O'Mara is a defense attorney just doing his job. Bernie De La Rionda is also a prosecutor giving it his best.

Let's hope when this is all played out in a courtroom, the judge or jurors will arrive at the truth from the evidence presented and justice will have prevailed. At this writing, I still have 'doubts' that creep in to my thoughts as I look at both sides of this case. I do not think that I could declare Zimmerman 'not guilty' or 'guilty' with a good conscience if I were a juror. JMO

[Fortunately, none of us will be jurors, so opinions are open and free to discuss here. While I don't agree with you on Zimmerman's guilt or innocence, it's quite alright for everyone to feel the way they do. I know what you think about O'Mara, but remember, too, that Baez "took on the challenge of representing a very unpopular client..." and he wasn't intimidated by any bad publicity, either. This is what these guys do! It's their job! I don't hate him for it, but I will say I'm a little surprised by some of his tactics because they do remind me a little bit of Baez, who also never broke any laws per se. Nothing close to getting himself disbarred, anyway. I would definitely expect O'Mara to despise any comparisons to Baez, as well. He likes to think of himself as a class act; a great orator, and I will admit he's quite good. But will he razzle dazzle the judge? I doubt it. The jury? Perhaps. So did Baez, so to that end, Baez trumps O'Mara right now. At the moment, Baez is a better attorney when it comes to high profile cases. I know you hate to think of it that way, but logic is logic and according to the law, Casey is not guilty. So said the good consciences of her jurors. We'll see about this one.

I'm glad you have an opinion, and I'm glad you are not afraid to discuss it. I may have my own opinion on this case, but I love to hear all sides, and yours is most welcome here.]

[Tommy's Mom]

That viddeo wasn't easy to watch,and the sound of a gun made me jump. What a terrible night that was. I appreciate all the hard work you and LLMP put into your videos but I don't think Tray's family should see this one. JMHO of course.

[I wouldn't want Trayvon's family to see either one, either, Tommy's Mom. No, neither one is easy to watch.

Thanks for appreciating our hard work. It's the least I could do, and I can only speak for myself, but I know LLMPapa feels exactly the same way.]

[Michelle]

I realize you all have moved on from Britt's latest comment but I am curious what she knows about Trayvon that his parents don't know? What did they lie about? How does she know Trayvon better than his parents? I don't know what other people's parents think about them but my Mom thinks my sister and me can do no wrong. She thinks we are amazing beautiful and smart. Other people may not agree. I do not think any parent would bad mouth their own children. Nor do I think every parent sees everything their children do. We tend to keep some of our lives private on the down low so to speak.
I do think the comment is disgusting of anyone to say especially when said person can not answer the simple question of what gave Mr Zimmerman the right to follow Trayvon in the first place? Just because you live somewhere does not give you the right. Trayvon had the right to be there he was a guest. Dave we are going to watch you tonight. To be honest I do not know why we even have a television. It is usually unplugged. More shocking that we have cable I think we only have it because the cable company is cheaper if you bundle.

[I don't know what gave Britt the distinction of knowing more about the case than the entire state of Florida, but I was so used to hearing it from many Casey Anthony people, this was nothing new. Everyone seemed to know more than anyone else. So much for Britt. I just wish she would have brought something substantive to the table, but she didn't.

I'm glad you have cable, Michelle, and thank you for letting me know you will watch it. That means a lot to me.]

[nan11]

Dave: Following are the last 44 seconds (approximately) of the screaming—the seconds O’Mara was referring to when he said he is not sure if he ‘would have waited that long’ before aiming a handgun—loaded with 9 mm hollow point bullets—at a young man’s heart, and pulling the trigger.

Of course, it is not an official transcript. It is a transcription I did myself, but it is a transcript that I would put my hand on the Bible and swear that it contains the words I hear, and nothing more.

Agree or disagree with the words contained below—it is quite apparent that no head bashing or smothering was going on during those seconds.

In his speech at the Gun Rights Convention, O’Mara said:

Quote: ” And I’m not kidding when I say to you—use a gun unreasonably; use it because you can, not because you have to—go to jail.”

So be it. imo

The following is transcribed from about 16:43 minutes in of this link, which was played for Zimmerman during part 3 of his February 29th interview. The tape was not redacted, so I find it is clearer. The run time is from this link.

Here, Serino played and replayed parts of Witness 11’s 911 call, so it may seem confusing. I have not added the duplicated parts.

[7:16:11;00] Trayvon: I’m begging you!
[7:16:11;26] Trayvon: Let go!
[7:16:16;00] [Background voices - unintelligible]
[7:16:20;15] Trayvon: Help me! Help!
[7:16:29;03] Trayvon: [Unintelligible] I don’t know! Let go of me!
[7:16:34;28] [Background voices - Unintelligible]</I>
[7:16:35;12] Trayvon: Sob of sheer terror.
[7:16:35;12] [Sound of screen door closing (???)]
[7:16:40;25] [Background scraping—sounds like furniture moving.]
[7:16:40;25] Trayvon: Let go of me! Help!
[7:16:47;21] Trayvon: Help!
[7:16:47;21] [Background voices - unintelligible.]
[7:16:54;04] Trayvon: [Fainter—as if the struggle has moved away] Help me!
[7:16:55;17] GUN SHOT!

And just to note—whoever it may favor—the State, (and Defense), know the exact time the encounter began, as per Trayvon’s and DeeDee’s phone records.

Also, someone once questioned Trayvon’s accomplishments in his whole 16 years plus 21 days of life. I think, perhaps, his uncle may say it best.

NBC Miami (VIDEO incl.)| By Willard Shepard | April 6, 2012 | Trayvon Martin’s Uncle Feels Empty Without Him
Sub-Heading: Ronald Fulton says “if I needed anything, he would be there for me”

[nan11]

┌( ಠ‿ಠ)┘ De la Rionda rocks:
State’s Response To Defendant’s Motion To Compel Production Of Evidence From Third-Party

Quote: “#3. The issue in this case is whether Defendant had the right to target, follow, shoot and kill an unarmed seventeen year-old child, to then recite a litany of demonstrably false and internally inconsistent versions of the events, and to now shamelessly attempt to co-opt the mantle of victimhood for himself. In sum, Defendant’s goal by way of the instant Motion is not legitimately to gather relevant evidence in this criminal case. Rather, he is clearly more interested in defending his own supposed “reputation” than in permitting a judge and / or a jury to consider his actions.”

Quote: “#9. {Snipped} Due to the high profile nature of this case and the publicity surrounding it, the family and friends of the victim are in danger. I am sure that you have seen the hate-filled, racist, and threatening messages directed towards these people, as much of it has been posted on your defense team’s website, Facebook, and Twitter page. I refuse to compromise their safety or the safety of Witness 8."

[mixologist74]

I produce videos that show what paths Zimmerman and Trayvon took. I write opinion pieces. As far as I know, it's still my Second Amendment right to do so, but in your small world, there is only one version of everything - yours.

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I think you meant First Amendment, but I completely agree with you, Dave.

[Great catch, mixologist74. You're right! I guess I had gun rights on my mind instead of freedom of speech. Thank you.]

[nan11]

There is some good rebuttal contained in the video, but there is a pretty clear indication of what way the wind is blowing, too. : - (

The Young Turks | 6:21 minute VIDEO | George Zimmerman Sues NBC For ‘Racist’ Tape Edit
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[Defendant’s] Reply To State’s Response To Defendant’s Motion To Compel Production Of Evidence From Third Party

State’s Response To Defendant’s Motion To Take Additonal Deposition
[Defendant’s] Reply To State’s Response To Defendants Motion To Take Additional Deposition
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Orlando Sentinel | Hal Boedeker |George Zimmerman: How TV will cover Tuesday’s hearing

Quote: Where to watch Tuesday’s hearing in the George Zimmerman case?

[nan11]

Interesting article:

Washington Post | By Erik Wemple | Will George Zimmerman regret Hannity interview?

Quote: "Precedent in Florida courts, says Tobin, has been quite friendly to news outlets — as judges have ruled over and over that otherwise private folks have qualified as “limited-purpose” public figures thanks to the controversies that they happened upon."

[nan11]

Click Orlando (WKMG) Live Link

Good to see you there, Dave!

[Dave Knechel]

Oh, you saw me, nan11? I just came into the blog to say I was in attendance. There's still a recess but I expect it to start again soon. Thanks.

[nan11]

┌( ಠ‿ಠ)┘ Oh, how I luv Judge Nelson!!! ┌( ಠ‿ಠ)┘

[YAY is right, nan11! I'm happy, and I'm going to write a little on the subject. I've got more video to show, too. BTW, please keep those links coming. They sure do come in handy.]

[nan11]

If anyone is interested, TruTV is taking about the case. Right now it is Casarez, but she is airing parts of that interview she did the other day with O'Mara and West.