No Way, Jose, By George!
Thursday, December 13, 2012 at 9:22AM I shot a video with Frank Taaffe soon after the hearing ended Tuesday. I know, I know - he is a controversial character who draws admiration from some and disdain from others, but he had something interesting to say, so please hear him out. It pertains to Jose Baez; no stranger to controversy himself.
I do want to say something about the hearing, though. Aside from matters dealing with discovery, voice identification, witness testimony and depositions, the most important thing to come out of it was the judge’s order pertaining to two defense motions in particular. One was the MOTION TO MODIFY CONDITIONS OF RELEASE, a 74-page whopper that ultimately went nowhere, and the other was the MOTION FOR CLARIFICATION OF ORDER SETTING BAIL, that also failed to budge the judge. After hearing arguments from both sides, she promptly denied the motions without further explanation.
Did it surprise me? Yes and no. I expected a denial, but I didn’t think the decision would come so quickly. However, the bottom line is that George Zimmerman lied about his second passport and he lied about the money he had in the bank when he talked to his wife in code while in jail, and when he sat silent in the courtroom as she lied in open court. While Mark O’Mara, his defense attorney, respectfully told the court that his client has complied with all court orders, I thought about what Zimmerman was supposed to do other than follow the letter of the law. That’s what any person under court order is supposed to do; it goes with the territory, so what makes him special?
O’Mara argued that evidence now surfacing completely exonerates his client of any crime. OK, fine, but save it for another day — the day George Zimmerman stands trial for the murder of Trayvon Martin. This was a day to prove his reliability; that you could trust George no matter where he is. Like he’s paid his dues. Well, he hasn’t paid his dues and he deserves nothing more than anyone else under the same conditions. He should not be pampered.
Also, O’Mara tried his best to rewrite history and turn Zimmerman into the real victim; a victim of racism. Baloney. If that’s the case, then the best place for him to be would be within the confines of beautiful Seminole County, 345 square miles of frolicking fun; safely tucked away, instead of roaming the countryside and risk being caught by all those delusional mobs of black monsters out to get him. Thank God they don’t exist in Seminole County.
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Since the hearing, news has surfaced that (then) Sanford police detective Chris Serino made many revisions to the police report before he submitted it to State Attorney Norm Wolfinger’s office. Serino was the lead detective on the case and in his initial report, he recommended that Zimmerman be charged with second-degree murder. After several revisions he settled on manslaughter. All of this was done within a five-hour period.
In the end, the general consensus of the Sanford Police Department was to write a recommendation — any recommendation — and pass the buck up to the State Attorney’s Office. Pressure on the police department from national civil rights groups was mounting, and they wanted it out of their hands.
But will this revelation hurt the prosecution and help the defense? In my opinion, it shows a department in disarray. Several Sanford police officers have already come out in favor of Zimmerman, so in this sense, it may help the defense, but the big problem facing them is that the State doesn’t need Sanford. They’ve got much larger support in the FDLE, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Their guns are much bigger than Sanford’s, and that’s the agency that did the brunt of the investigation that led to the charge against Zimmerman. Bernie de la Rionda will be relying on FDLE, and it might be necessary to debunk the Sanford Police Department for running a slipshod organization that couldn’t make up their minds on anything. Heck, their police chief was fired over the mess, but in my opinion, he was more of a fall guy. So much for that. I don’t expect this new story to have much of an impact either way.
Here is the interesting video interview with Frank Taaffe. Also, he invited me up to the Retreat, which I accepted, and gave me the 50 cent tour; well worth the price. That will be unfolded in my next post.
Cross posted at the Daily Kos
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Dave~~excellent post! Wow, the video was a great addition and very informative especially regarding José Baez. I realize that Taaffe is not a popular figure but it was good to get a peek at the other side. It was also nice hearing our journalist pose some good questions to Frank. Coming in here today was a real treat.
I completely agree with Judge Nelson's decisions. There is no way that Zimmerman should be without that GPS. I tend to think that, at this time, he would be a flight risk.
Now I wonder who it was that would financially back Z if José had got his foot in the door for the defense. Hannity denied that it was him...hmmm...I wonder what Todd Black is doing these days...just a thought. JMO
Thanks, Dave, great job!
[Thank you, Snoopy! I put the video up on YouTube yesterday morning and it's already gotten almost 400 hits, which says something about Frank's ability to draw people, whether good or bad. He's quite a character and I'll have more to say in my next post.
Nelson was right, indeed. Good behavior is to be expected. There should be no reward. Whether he would be a flight risk is open for discussion, but he's already shown that he cannot be trusted.
As for Baez, the general consensus among us was that some consortium is willing to back Baez. Who or what is something I'd like to dig into, and perhaps I will. Now, that would make a very compelling story!]
Thanks, Dave for this!
But this video now confirms to me that there was also something fishy about how Casey Anthony got Jose Baez ..... Casey had to have lied (I know - SHOCKING!) - because she wasn't in with any other people when she was first brought to the jail to get the "recommendation" to call Baez.....How did Baez and Casey connect? What was it? Drug dealings, porn ...child porn? There was some reason Baez took this case on initially ....before it became the media fixation ....
And while every suspect is entitled to a defense ....Baez epitomizes the smoke and mirror strategy ...and quite frankly in my opinion sinks below even the "ambulance chaser" rung in the legal profession.
The only thing so far in my book that puts Zimmerman in any type of favorable light is the fact that he DID NOT pick Baez.....
Thanks too for staying on top of this case!
[Hi, Jnpgh - My pleasure, of course.
For some reason, Jose Baez seems to carry a sleaze factor around with him. I can't quite put my finger on it, nor would I want to, but it's there. I do know that Casey asked women in the holding cell about an attorney; that she needed one. Two different women recommended Jose. I do know that to be the truth because I heard it straight from the horse's mouth; meaning directly from Jose. There had been questions and arguments in the news and on blogs, and I wanted clarification.
Unfortunately, the life of a criminal defense attorney is such that the only thing that matters is the exoneration of their client. That's just the nature of the business. They do not care, nor do they want to know, about their client's guilt or innocence. If they did, they wouldn't be effective and they'd lose their license to practice law. O'Mara will be the same way because it's just the nature of the beast. Lawyers of all genres are the same; unscrupulous at times. Win is the only word they understand.
With Baez, I know attorneys who can't stand him, but I also know ones that admire him because he did, after all, beat the State. Ultimately, he did his job and he never cared what any of us thought. He still doesn't, but I do wonder who would want him. The subject of public opinion comes to mind...
I will do my best to stay on top of this case because of people like you and, for that, I thank you.]
Thanks for the new post, Dave. I may have been surprised at the speed of Judge Nelson’s decision regarding modifying Zimmerman’s conditions of release, but I applauded it.
There was much chatter in the news media about Mr. de la Rionda’s ‘argument’. What they failed to mention was that he was not given time to file a written reply—but instead was granted permission by the judge and presented a brilliant oral argument without missing a single beat—all in response to what was contained in O’Mara’s motion.
I also applaud the passion de la Rionda brings to the courtroom and pray it continues.
I hear that O’Mara is not too popular today at outpost of his staunchest supporters. He has only fallen slightly short of selling his soul. I wonder what more they think he can do.
Zimmerman is a lot of things—most of them unflattering—but one thing he is not is a victim of racism. Mr. Taaffe makes that quite clear, imo. Do you follow him on Twitter?
I enjoyed your video, though. I watched it a couple of times yesterday. I thought it was well done.
I hope we get to see the reports that Baez gave the prosecution concerning Serino’s many ‘revisions.’
I just read back and I saw where you mentioned about keeping the links coming—I was glad to see that. I didn’t really know if you were still interested. I’m always hanging out somewhere near this case, so I don’t mind dropping in with a link or two.
I appreciated the little tease about your next post!
[I'm glad I can do this, nan11, so I really appreciate your thanks.
I think de la Rionda did a great job off the cuff, too. But there wasn't much to it. O'Mara argues racism mostly, when the bottom line has nothing to do with that. Once again, it was nothing more than smoke and mirrors, just like Baez. The fact remains, Zimmerman lied, and to reward him for behaving when he was ordered to do so by the court completely baffles me. Time off for good behavior? OK, fine, but that only applies to people who have been convicted and sentenced. Otherwise, yes, de la Rionda showed his stuff. He can improvise with the best of them and he's got raw emotion that shows, and it's effective.
Yes, I did notice the rustling leaves over yonder, but they made it clear from the beginning that they dislike O'Mara. Why they have so much support for Zimmerman is beyond me, but how does a supermarket bag boy know more about the law than a highly experienced criminal defense attorney is beyond me. We may have issues with O'Mara, but that's irrelevant when it comes down to his experience and effectiveness. As for his take on racism, he is blowing billowing smoke and fumes of stench. Basicly, he is trying to rewrite history; pure and simple. The audacity of his claim in open court the other day that his client is the REAL victim here really offended me.
Please do continue feeding me the links. I do appreciate them, for sure, and thank you for your comment on this matter.]
Well that was interesting. A consortium eh? My first thought was a 3-letter consortium maybe, then I thought of Baez's work with the hispanic community. I imagine it has something to do with his work there, so I cleaned up my thoughts a bit. It was interesting.
Ok, so they're still having break-ins over there. I lived in a gated community like that one here in Jacksonville, and it wasn't until they permanently sealed the pedestrian, and secondary entrance gate that crime started coming down a bit. After that there was only one way in and out of the area. It shows me anyway that GZ's actions only made the residents more insecure and the crooks more secure in their own actions. He was still wrong because he went above and beyond the scope of crime watch. Who in their right mind thinks they can stalk a crook, then hold him at gunpoint until the cops get there? It only happens on tv and most of the time not even there. But watching them covertly and seeing what they're up to does help. It tells the cops what they were doing, where they were doing it, and which direction they were going when last spotted - thus giving an eyewitness account, and a direction to follow. On a dusky rainy night I imagine there weren't many out walking around.
Loved the judge!!! She didn't give any reasoning for denying both orders and she didn't need to. They were the decision of another judge and to have O'Mara come back and ask that it be changed was dumb. Like we say "be careful what you ask for". He even mentioned the attitude of the prior judge when he made that decision. What surprised me is that the defense didn't argue it more than they did. I imagine they used up all their arguments in that long order they typed up. I was so glad to hear the prosecution bring up all his publicity crap he's been doing as a counter argument. Poor poor George looked like he was trying to figure out how to get more money since he couldn't make that mall-autograph signing appointment he dreamed of.
[Frank called me yesterday, 12/14, and told me there was another break-in the night before. He even sent me a photo of the broken screen glass door - the glass, which I will place into my next post.
No doubt, GZ went well above the law, although he broke none prior to the shooting. Or did he? If he approached TM, he may have breeched his civil rights. Right now, we can't say. The bottom line, though, is that he never would have gotten out of his SUV without that gun. And to tell Hannity that he regrets nothing is pure ice. How cold and indifferent. Yes, he said he'd change nothing and do the same thing again and again. What a blatant fool.
I think Judge Nelson sent O'Mara a message with the speed and abruptness of her decision. It was as if she looked at the motion as an affront to her profession and to stop wasting the court's time.
Thanks, Connie!]
Very interesting post. None of what happened in court was hugely surprising, given prior behavior. Z very wise to avoid Jose, frankly.
["Prior behavior" is the key phrase, Karen. If George weren't under a court order right now, where would he be? Hanging around malls signing autographs for money, flanked by his expensive bodyguards? I think he's exaggerating the issue of race. I don't think anyone is seriously going to go out of their way to harm him. Hmm, but on the other hand, the New Black Panthers never rescinded their dead or alive offer, so I can understand some apprehension.
Jose would have brought more hatred into his life.]
Great job Dave. Thank you.. Can't wait for the next one.
I totally agree with judge Nelson on her ruling . He's not special ... All this yabing, how awesome he's doing, not breaking any conditions of the bond??? Come on Does he have any other choice??? Or is he going to be soon awarded ,with a Honor Roll "Best behaving teen killer" ? Yuck he make me sick
[My pleasure, Yvette, and I am proud to be able to do it.
You're right, there is nothing special about Zimmerman and he deserves nothing out of the ordinary. Let him stew and wallow. "Best behaving teen killer." A truer description could not be said. Thanks!]
Dave: I haven't got a link to support this, but apparently on the interview that O'Mara and West did with Casarez on TruTV (In Session) on December 7, 2012--O'Mara admitted that $200,000.00 came from Sean Hannity.
[I'll have to look into that 200 grand. I don't know enough about it, but it's quite interesting.]
I wish to make this intelligent contribution to the discussion. Taaffe is one odd looking mofo :DD
Now, now, Porky3100. I've had plenty of people call me ugly, too. Fortunately, none that matter. Except my best friends. They tell me that all the time. Mofo included.]
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nan - my impression was not that Sean Hannity donated the money but that the money was sent in after Sean Hannity show aired a story about George. That was why Omara agreed to let George go on his show , the show where George and Omara were on it - Sean was supposed to make another plea for donators to send money but for some reason that didnt happen and the money didnt roll in like they expected.
HLN | O"Mara
Dave: Above is a link to HLN reporting on the interview that Casarez did with O'Mara/West. It is a very short article with a video. I cannot watch the video, so I am unsure if it contains O'Mara's statement concerning Hannity and the $200,000.00; but you might find it interesting anyway.
Also, the first video contained in the thumbnails is the video of a telephone interview that Mr. Crump gave Casarez the same day.
(At least it confirms the existence of the interview I mentioned earlier.)
[Thanks for this link, nan11. I'm going to look into this mess later on. I've got to go back out again...]
Dave, thank you for the video. Yesterday after I received notification, I posted it to Leatherman's law blog. The discussion about it mostly centers on what Taaffe said about the 56" (that subsequently grew into a 60") television being stolen. IMO, the subject of Baez is more interesting. Whomever recommended Baez must believe that Zimmerman is guilty.
[Xena, you may be interested in knowing that Frank took me through the Retreat and I now have footage you will, undoubtedly, appreciate, including inside the clubhouse. I will try to post it tomorrow. I also have a photo that shows what the neighbor wrote about the break-in and his stolen 56" tv, which did occur. Frank exaggerated, but it was stolen.
Thanks for sharing that over at Leatherman's blog.]
I was reading at CTH last night and came across an interesting post by the blog owner, Sundance. A poster was defending Mark Omara, as to whether he is doing a good job for George, and this was the reply that Sundance gave him.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/12/12/mark-omaras-worst-professional-nightmare-has-come-
true/#comments
sundance says:
December 12, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Let me add. If you don’t like BRUTAL HONESTY then this ain’t a comfy site for you. When the baby is ugly
– My manners dictate I prolly will not tell mom, but I ain’t gonna carry a cherub smile just to sell
some BS that ain’t real.
If anti-Zimmerman people read this article, GREAT. It honestly explains the reason some of them think
Zimmerman is guilty….. which is because Mark O’Mara is an insufferably weak advocate – only concerned
with his self interests. (That is why I say O’Mara wears pinkie rings).
I will not be intellectually dishonest about any person(s) who are manipulative liars. And yes, Mark O’
Mara is a manipulative liar. Here’s two examples:
1.) Mark O’Mara lied about the defense fund – he knew about it, he was specifically asked if it should
be included on the disclosure forms and how to include it. He told George and Shellie not to put it on
or declare it. He did…..
Now think about the affect of that falsehood on the entire case, ie. credibility, bail, restrictions,
bond raising, media calling GZ/SZ liars… etc etc.
2.) Mark O’Mara lied by omission regarding the passport. George immediately told O”mara there were two,
passports. One turned in (expired) the second was in a safe deposit box. That passport was removed by GZ
and shipped to O’Mara in the same fed-x box that contained his power of attorney turning over defense
fund control. Let that sink in.
One month later…. BDLR and the STATE use the 2nd passport issue along with the paypal to slam George as
a flight risk.
The passport was in O’Mara’s briefcase for that entire month.
Now think about the affect of that second lie by omission to GZ’ credibility, his bond, etc etc.
And these are the ones I don’t care if people read. Imgagine the lies I would not share to protect GZ’s
case. I could fill this entire page with examples of lies, falsehoods, symantical manipulations and
obfuscations from the first 90 days of representation alone. In many ways Mark O’Mara is no better than
Benjamin Crump.
Need more?
[Sure, Elmosmommy, more is fine, but this doesn't surprise me one bit. Sundancecracker has been against O'Mara from the start. In his diatribe, he fails to mention that GZ and his wife spoke in code. Why did they do that if they weren't hiding something? What does O'Mara have to do with it? Did he force them to speak in code and lie? That's ridiculous.
Thanks!]
Dave~~I just watched the interview that Casarez did with O'Mara and Don West. Since news outlets are frowned on for paying for interviews, Hannity made a donation to Zimmerman's legal fund to the tune of $200G. It was the same way that Dr Phil handled things when he interviewed Cindy and George. He made a substantial donation to them. Most news outlets will pay out a handsome sum when pictures are used and shown during the interview. This is expensed out as 'license fees' for the pictures but in actual fact it is more likely for the interview itself.
Just an aside as I viewed the video.... I noticed that Mark will run his tongue over his teeth so it may appear that he has a dry mouth and needs to lubricate his chops with a bit of saliva. It appears that O'Mara's bottom jaw is a bit out of alignment combined with the possibility that he is having problems with his bottom denture. I am sure that Dr Lillian Glass would be in agreement with me that wetting one's lips is not an indication of that person telling lies. If that were the case, any one of us who has woke up with a dry mouth in the morning was not lying on a bed but lying thru our teeth. Confused yet? lol
I have watched Mark utilize his tongue to slurp a bit in many interviews so just wanted to give the guy his just due. JMO
[I've got to go out again, but I agree. O'Mara may have a physical condition. I wouldn't look to much into something that's probably not there. That's why I don't trust those analysts. They have no history on the man other than what they have learned from this most recent event. You can't base anything substantial on it. Period. And this isn't merely defending him, it's good common sense. If everyone were picked on because of their physical attribute, we'd all be suspicious.]
I interpreted it the same way Elmosmommy did.. that Hannity didn't donate 200,000 but that what he said got people to donate until it had reached 200,000. I typed it almost verbatum from the video link above:
"...don't forget 200 of that almost came to George before we even got involved with the case and that came from Sean Hannity who basically said "this guy looks like he's getting a raw deal and you guys need everyone needs to chill back a little bit and he needs some help" and literally in about 9 or 10 days there was about 200,000 dollars in it..."
I don't know what if anything he got for his interview with Hannity, but I haven't seen anything saying he got paid. I thought he did that gratis for the publicity and wanted Barbara Walters to pay and she said "no".
Dave, somewhere out there, someone says the picture of CA that was reported is you sitting next to the momster.
[I assure you, it wasn't me! I was contacted my an editor with RadarOnline about the matter and we both came to the conclusion it was most likely Jeremy Lyons. It seems he, too, is sporting a goatee and mustache. Allegedly, of course.
I can also assure that I would be the last person Casey would want to spend time with.]
Conniefl~~Thanks. I see what you mean. It was a bit confusing as I listened to it. I will watch it again a little later. I know that O'Mara was disappointed that Hannity did not solicit for donations during the show and that may have been what threw some of us off in the other direction.
Elmosmommy~~thanks for the good laugh. It sounds like Sundance was having an out of control temper tantrum. This is not the first time that they have badmouthed O'Mara. They will reach out in any direction to put the onus on someone else because they cannot stand the fact that Z is not doing well in the court of public opinion. Maybe Sundance is running a bit scared and also feels his donated money to the fund is being misused.
I wonder where this Sundance is getting his inside information. Zimmerman can fire O'Mara any time he wants to.
CYA time:
GZ Legal Case Update | Addressing Concerns About Cyber Attacks and Doxing
Dave~~I lifted the following from nan11's link so it comes from O'Mara's site. We have heard that some witnesses, or possible witnesses, and supporters on both sides of this case have been the victims of cyber attacks or doxing (the act of publishing personal documents about the individual on the Internet)
In the past, you happened to be the victim of doxing and there was little if anything that the FBI would or could do about it. For an individual to challenge some of these so-called doxers would mean shelling out some big bucks and still have no guarantee they would win their case. For the ordinary layperson, it is a lost cause and not worth all the hassle. Unless a blog's server is subpoenaed by the courts, they will not divulge information.
I think O'Mara wanted to set the record straight that he does not condone cyber attacks and doxing. Since blogging has become so popular, I can see many changes in the offing and people will be a bit more cautious in what they write.
A good place to learn about cyber attacks and doxing would be among those birches and ashes, don't you think?
Dave: I don't know if you are still following Jordan's case, but I just wanted to make note of this. I promise not to clog up your great new post with off topic stuff--I'll stop.
This is deserved, imo.
First Coast News | Michael Dunn, suspect in the shooting death of Jordan Davis, faces new charges
Well Dave you've done it again great job! I totally agree with the judge,a prize for behaving while out on bail? I think NOT.
I think Z turned down Baez because he as the most hated man in American doesn't want to be associated with the most hated woman in America,even by choice of attorney.
nan11 & SnoopySleuth this looks to be a nasty dig at the state. Seems typical of MOM & company.
We understand that there may have been such actions directed at individuals who may be associated with Witness #8. In an October 19 hearing, the defense team requested a Subpoena Duces Tecum for the social media accounts of Witness #8; however, we intentionally did not disclose her name or any possible Twitter handle out of respect for her privacy. (We still have not been informed of her Twitter handles). If there is an individual who has been mistaken as Witness #8, and if this individual has been subjected to these practices, then we feel that those who knew Witness #8’s identity and therefore her Twitter handle, such as the State Attorneys Office or the handlers of the Martin family, have had many specific opportunities through social media or press conferences to publicly correct the misrepresentations and end the concerns -- an opportunity they have yet to take. We implore them to do so now, to minimize any further damage. If they know the Twitter handles are of a person unrelated to the case, why has this not been publicized?
Marinade!! I am finished my shift...bout time don't you think? Get in here!!
Outstanding Post Dave n loved your quip about burglars feelin safe wi georgie of the streets ..Frank seems to think stealing expanding televisions is an instant death sentance..B T W Thease numbers he quotes of alleged crimes break ins ect both before Trayvons Murder an after are tottaly bogus .He just make them up he goes along.Like the size of tv flat screens
Dave~~remember when Casey was bonded out the second time? Do you think that the same outfit may be the ones wanting to back Baez and pay for Z's defense? I wonder if Baez is working for Serino pro bono.
One other thing, it is strange about the dude who was seen having lunch with Casey eh? I wonder why he is still hanging around. This case seems to be getting a bit intriguing. Bonne nuit!
Correction~~
Elmosmommy and Conniefl~~you were absolutely right. I re-watched the interview with O'Mara and West. Hannity did not donate the $200G to Zimmerman's defense fund. Somehow he got the word out and donations started pouring in to the tune of that amount in just over a week. I was wrong and am sorry about that.
Dave: This is a good write up. I don't know if you have seen the article that this is in rebuttal of, but I was glad to see this in the form of a reply.
Of particular relevance to your post is a brief comment on Mr. Taaffe--the author would probably not be surprised that he had the same excuse on your recent video as he did back in April, as she mentiond. jmo
Politic 365 | Lauren Victoria Burke | Would USA Today Ask This Question If Trayvon Martin Was White?
O/T
A little fun story to start your week-end.
A Riddle For You: Perfect Man and Woman
There was a perfect man who met a perfect woman. After a perfect courtship, they had a perfect wedding. Their life together was, of course, perfect. One snowy, stormy Christmas Eve, this perfect couple was driving their perfect car (a Grand Caravan) along a winding road, when they noticed someone at the side of the roadside in distress. Being the perfect couple, they stopped to help. There stood Santa Claus with a huge bundle of toys. Not wanting to disappoint any children on the eve of Christmas, the perfect couple loaded Santa and his toys into their vehicle. Soon they were driving along delivering the toys. Unfortunately, the driving conditions deteriorated and the perfect couple and Santa Claus had an accident. Only one of them survived the accident. Who was the survivor?
The perfect woman. She's the only one that really existed in the first place. Everyone knows there is no Santa Claus and there is no such thing as a perfect man...
For Men ONLY!!! So, if there is no perfect man and no Santa Claus, the perfect woman must have been driving. This explains why there was a car accident. (by the way if you're a woman and you're reading this...this brings up another point....women never listen either.......)
Dave~~Tommy'sMom just said you are not perfect. lol Oh, I loved that one!!
Dave: This one surprised me. I'm shaking my head a little bit. I can't decide if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
Orlando Sentinel | Judge in Zimmerman case also taking on Zimmerman v. NBC
Sub Heading: Debra S. Nelson will oversee both.
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You may have already seen the following. It has most of O'Mara's presser after Tuesday's hearing.
You Tube VIDEO | Sanford Watch | Published on Dec 13, 2012 | Zimmerman 'ABSOLUTELY BROKE' says O'Mara!
nan11 or anyone
OK I'm an old broad but I still don't understand,why does Z want the travel restrictions removed? He fears for his life,his whole family is in danger? Yet his brother is all over the news and he wants to travel. Does that make sense to anyone?
Tommy's Mom: It doesn't make much sense to me either. My personal thought--assuming he won't jump bail--is that he wants to go back to where ever he was staying just before he got arrested.
Also, he would probably have more success begging for money if he could appear to his 'masses' in person.
I have a problem believing he is in danger from the New Black Panther Party, or anyone else. Everyone wanted him charged with the crime he commited. It happened--now we look to justice, but justice passed down by the court, not by an action that would make us no better than the one whose name will be soon forgotten.
J4T
Dave~~I hope you don't mind. I cannot focus on anything else today.
Connecticut school shooting: 28 dead as massacre devastates Newtown
Please extend some prayers out to all the families and victims in Newtown, Connecticut.
Dave: As you originally devoted this post to Trayvon's case, I'm assuming it is okay to add links.
Of course my thoughts and prayers go out to all the victims and survivors of the most recent mad man with gun, (or guns)--no need to ask.
Trayvon was a beautiful child, too; on that cold, dark, rainy evening when he was hunted by a different mad man with a gun.
LLMPapa has published a new video. It offers a very compelling look at how the witness statements and evidence locations support a chase going from south to north. In other words, a chase heading from close to the home where Trayvon was an invited guest towards the "T", where he was gunned down by Zimmerman.
I would venture to add that a close look at the timeline exhibited from the phone calls--witnesses, DeeDee, Trayvon, and Zimmerman's NEN call--also strongly support this theory.
RATL map
★★★★★
YouTube VIDEO by LLMPapa | Published on Dec 14, 2012 | Evidence of Direction
J4T
Dave: No new facts here, but it contains meaningful words from Sybrina Fulton. The article touches on a few other cases and the connection between them all.
A good Sunday read!
Jacksonville . com | By Charlie Patton | Trayvon Martin's mother, other speakers at a Jacksonville gathering call for an end to gun violence
I believe George is NOT guilty...Why? Because in his NEN call right after he was told they didn't need him following Trayvon he gave directions to his location at a "cut through" and when you follow those directions you come to the same "cut through" that numerous witnesses say the confrontation took place in more than 2 minutes after George told the operator that was where he was. Trayvon had run behind the houses so the only way the confrontation could have taken place in the "cut through" is for Trayvon to have gone back to confront George...like George said.
In your video you say "You might have crime...Crime can be anywhere". I checked the crime rate for Sanford and they have a very high crime rate...so high that only 3% of the cities in the US have a higher crime rate than Sanford. So yes, crime can be anywhere BUT that much crime is only found in very few cities.
@Jamie Scott: I’m assuming you are serious, so I will try to respond in kind.
You appear to be basing your opinion on the fact that Zimmerman—upstanding citizen that he is not—bravely disclosed to the dispatcher the correct directions to where he had parked his vehicle.
I guess you overlook the fact that he incorrectly gave the dispatcher the address for the clubhouse as 111 Retreat View Circle, instead of 1111 Retreat View Circle; and that at the very end of the NEN call, he asked the dispatcher if he could have the officer call him when the officer arrived in the area.
Have you seen this: i.imgur - George Zimmerman’s Multiple Statements?
Zimmerman’s NEN call ended at 7:13:40. The first 911 call came in at 7:16:11. That is the 2 minutes and 31 seconds you mention, I think.
The exact time that Trayvon’s cell phone was disconnected could shorten that up a bit. We only have the ‘general’ time of 7:16.
At 7:11:57, Zimmerman places himself at the “T” intersection of the dog walk.
At 7:12:10, Zimmerman told the dispatcher that Trayvon ‘ran.’
At 7:12:20, background noise indicates that Zimmerman stopped running, and was thumping his flashlight. That is 23 seconds after he was at the “T” intersection; and 10 seconds after he told the dispatcher that Trayvon ‘ran.’
Where do you suppose George Zimmerman actually was at this point? That is about one minute, 20 seconds before the NEN call ended.
If George Zimmerman had been doing what he said he was doing—which was walking back to his vehicle—he would have passed the “T” intersection before the NEN call ended. I did not hear the encounter in that call, did you?
The crime statistics for Retreat View Circle were conveniently incorrectly reported. If you check the actual crime statistics for the area as given in the evidence documents, you will find that the crime rate is really very average in Retreat View Circle.
Most people deal with it without feeling the need to hunt down and kill children. moo
Where do I think George was at that point? In the "cut through" he gave directions to...how else could the confrontation later take place in the "cut through"? When George says "Oh, crap. I don't want to give it all out. I don't know where this kid is." I would assume he was standing in the same area he last saw Trayvon...Which was IN the "cut through".
Have you seen any evidence that George followed Trayvon behind the houses? "Dee Dee" said he ran behind the houses and was down by his dads house...How did he end up back at the "cut through"?
When George asked the operator if he could have the police call him when they got there the operator told him it was "no problem"...So why couldn't George be in the "cut through"? George gave him direction to were he was at the "cut through" and said it was "no problem" for him to have the police call him when they got there so he could tell them were he was AT. Since he was AT the "cut through" when he was told they didn't need him to follow Trayvon and was AT the "cut through" when the confrontation took place HOW is the prosecutor going to convince a jury George continued following Trayvon?
George said the reason he asked to have the police call him when they got there was because he felt he gave incorrect directions, in his nen call he he was trying to explain that the police go straight past the club house and turn left (the street only turns left after passing the clubhouse) he also said the Mail boxes were after the left turn but in fact they are before the left turn...And as you pointed out he gave the operator the wrong address to the club house. George said he walked over to Retreat View Circle to get an address on that street because he thought he gave wrong directions to the operator...Which he did. It would be much easier for him to give the police directions to the house at the end of the cut through on Retreat view circle where he got the address from rather than giving them directions to where his truck was parked on Twin Tree Lane. Also he saw Trayvon run AWAY from Twin Trees Lane and was running towards the back gate (which happens to be across the street from Brandi Green's house). What makes more sense? Having the police meet you on the street you saw someone running away from or the street you saw them running towards?
WHERE is the evidence he "hunted down" Trayvon? HOW in the world can you "hunt down" someone that has run away from you going south between houses and then confront them in the cut through that you were already in and NOT behind the houses the person that ran away from you had ran more than 2 minutes earlier?
I always get asked why was George still at the cut through when the confrontation took place and not back at his truck but I never get the answer to may question what was Trayvon doing BACK at the "cut through". George was not told he had to go back to his truck and why should he? Trayvon ran away...People that run away from someone do NOT usually go back to the exact same place the ran away from like Trayvon obviously did and the fact the operator told George it was "NO PROBLEM" for him to have the police call when they got there instead of telling George he should go back to his vehicle or retreat from the location he gave directions to shows the operator did not think Trayvon would go back and cause a problem.
PLEASE explain to me how George "hunted down" Trayvon when BOTH George and "Dee Dee" said Trayvon ran behind the houses towards the back gate/his dads house but the confrontation took pace IN the "cut through" and NOT behind the houses Trayvon ran behind?
Problems with "Dee Dee's" statement about what happened that night....
1) She NEVER called anyone and only "came forward" after Tracy Martin checked his phone records 3 weeks after the shooting (the police asked him on March 2nd or 3rd to help them access his phone to get information off of it and he told them he would talk to his lawyers first...then did nothing about it).
2) She says Trayvon ran behind the houses and was down by his dads house and then a couple minutes later George was suddenly behind him again and confronted him. The confrontation took place in the "cut through" and NOT behind the houses down by his dads house.
3) She says George confronted Trayvon BUT it was Trayvon that spoke first....Usually the first to talk does the confronting.
4) Witnesses said they heard an exchange of words going back and forth 3 times then the "fight started....George says Trayvon said "you got a problem", George responded "no" and Trayvon said "you do now" then punched George in the nose. "Dee Dee" says Trayvon said "why are you following me" and she heard the "old man" say "What are you doing around here" and then heard what she claims was Trayvon being pushed and the phone "shut off"....Her later statement to BDLR she claims before the phone shut off she heard a "Little get off" after the "fight" started.
WHY doesn't anyone question her obvious lies?
Dave: Both of the following links could have been posted on either of your current threads.
The first one is a blog post, but it is interesting to note that it received enough attention that it was quoted in other articles. I chose to link to the actual blog, because I feel the completness of the full post gives the best 'picture.'
One thing he is right on, I am sad and weepy. There are a few other points that I agree with on the surface, but mostly I think his ideas (or ideals) would lead to oppression rather than freedom. Jmo, though.
I vehemently disagree with the following statements:
Blog Posted by Timothy Birdnow | Barbarians at the Gates of Sandy Hook
Below is a recent video my LLMPapa. Once again, with his reminder, I feel a bit of hope. "For Whom The Bell Tolls," indeed!
You Tube VIDEO | Published on Dec 18, 2012 by LLMPapa | A Wannabe Hero's Lament
Sorry Dave but am I the only person who found the video's background music, all while Frank was speaking, very annoying & distracting?
As much as i dislike Frank I still wanted to hear what info he had re slime ball BAEZ. Other than that I've always loved your posts, even tho I've not commented in more than a year.
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XO, Sydney
@Jamie Scott: Sorry to be so long getting back to you, I am just now seeing your comments.
I’ll link my favorite map showing the total area of the cut through. I notice you stay away from any mention of the “T” intersection of the cut through, which is the purported location—as stated by Zimmerman—that Trayvon jumped out from behind non-existent bushes and attacked without warning as Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle.
Following are direct quotes from Zimmerman’s NEN call. I’m sure you won’t agree, but when I look at the map and follow his directions, I deduce that he finally did get them correct. Notice the time gaps in the last section. He was very distracted during that part of the call.
I assume you have reviewed George’s prior NEN call history, not to mention the fact that he studied criminal justice for how many years? Something like eight or 10, I think. Surely he was aware of the fact that the police didn’t need an exact address. He had twice told them that his ‘suspect’ was running: first at 7:11:44, Quote: “. . . down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood; and, second at 7:11:51, Quote: “. . . the back entrance.”
In various interviews with law enforcement where George Zimmerman was read his rights; and signed and stated that he understood those rights, he stated the following:
At 7:11:58—he glanced down the “T” on his way to Retreat View Circle. This was purportedly as he was looking for a house number on Retreat View Circle for which he was never asked.
At 7:12:12—he stated he arrived at Retreat View Circle. Hopefully he would have obtained the house number since that was his supposed reason for going to that end of the cut-through.
At 7:12:31—he stated he was headed back to his vehicle which was parked on Twin Trees Lane. (Just an FYI: It should have only taken about 30 seconds—iirc—to reach the “T” intersection from this end of the cut-through.)
Now, interesting to note, is the fact that at 7:12:52 the dispatcher asked: Quote: “What address are you parked in front of?”
At 7:12:56, Zimmerman replied: Quote: “Uhm. I don’t know. It’s a cut-through, so I don’t know the address.”
Why is this interesting to note? Because according to Zimmerman’s own statements, as I explained above, he had obtained the address at 7:12:12 and was walking back to his vehicle at 7:12:31; but at 7:12:56, when supplied with the perfect opportunity to give an ‘address,’ he replied that he did not know.
Your argument might work if your boy hadn’t spent so much time shooting off his mouth to his law enforcement buddies—but he did. The prosecutors have those statements and are allowed to use them against him, as he was advised when he was read his ‘rights.’
The evidence that he hunted down Trayvon is there in the inconsistencies of George Zimmerman’s many statements. You don’t have to look hard to find it.
Do you not agree that Trayvon ran south at the “T” intersection towards Brandi’s townhouse? I’m not sure what you are referring to when you state: Quote: “Trayvon ran behind the houses towards the back gate/his dad’s house but the confrontation took place IN the ‘cut through’ and NOT behind the houses Trayvon ran behind?”
I believe it was in the re-enactment video, where Zimmerman clearly states the he saw Trayvon head south at the “T.”
I agree that the confrontation took place in the cut through—40 odd feet from the “T” intersection where Zimmerman said it occurred. (Hint: Another huge indication of Zimmerman’s ‘hunting.’) I believe Trayvon was only about 100 yards from safety—some of which he was forced to give up in retreat. (See witness statements indicating the chase went from south to north.)
You may find this link interesting. The yellow line representing 70 yards marks the distance from the gap between the first and second group of townhouses to the townhouse where Trayvon was staying as an invited guest. (As much as I appreciate my full map of the area, I do believe that blue ‘X’ may be in the wrong spot.)
Anyway, I hope you get back to me on what you mean by Trayvon not running between the houses he ran behind. (It’s late here—maybe my brain is just not working properly.)
I’m going to make another comment right after this one to specifically answer a question you are asking that you say no-one ever answers. I will do it separately so you will be sure to note it. : - )
@Jamie Scott: You asked {respectfully snipped}: What was Trayvon doing BACK at the “cut through?”
I bet you will not appreciate this answer; but, there is only the inconsistent word of George Zimmerman that Trayvon was ever BACK at the “cut through.”
By the use of ‘cut-through’ here, I am assuming you mean the “T” intersection.
I believe there are actually ‘two cut-throughs.’ (Sorry, I don’t believe that is a proper word.) But, I believe one runs west to east; and the other runs north to south. They ‘join’ at a “T.”
Maybe you could be more specific; or maybe this is baiting? Please explain more in depth if you are serious. : - )
Also, you might want to keep in mind that if George had acted upon the dispatcher’s suggestion that they did not require him to follow the ‘suspicious person,’ he would not be facing 2nd degree murder charges today. Just sayin.’
@ Jamie Scott: Re: Your problems with DeeDee
1) Trayvon’s funeral service was held on March 3. I don't believe that there is a person in this world who would fault his father for putting off a response to the SPD during that time.
Witness 8 was first interviewed sometime around the 20th of March. That is decent timing, and you should also consider that many follow up interviews with local witnesses were just being done by the SPD around that same time period.
I’ll state it this way—had I been in Mr. Martin’s place, I would have acted in the exact same way. It has been shown time and time again that the SPD had no intention of seeking justice for the senseless murder of his son. IMO
2) I await clarification regarding your description of the ‘cut-through’ as opposed to ‘NOT behind the houses down by his dad’s house.’
3) Zimmerman admitted to Serino that he—in his vehicle—followed Trayvon east on Twin Trees Lane to the cut-through. In the NEN call, we hear him getting out of his vehicle and running after Trayvon. The dispatcher asked him if he was following Trayvon, and Zimmerman said yes. Like it or not, Zimmerman was the first aggressor. Trayvon was trying to stand his ground. (Further, see O’Mara’s decision to have a non-SYG hearing.)
4) You seem to have quite a bit of information from DeeDee’s first statement. Maybe you have heard a clearer recording than I--or West/O’Mara--have. In any event, DeeDee will be deposed.
I think you are confusing the fact that DeeDee is a witness and Zimmerman is charged with murder 2. A much different weight is given to their statements.
I've got a video I'm working on. It's a walk-through the Retreat with Frank Taaffe. As per Sydney, I will leave the music off. You can disagree with what Frank says, but the visual is worth the price of admission.
You have great links, nan11!
The following video is a little over 11 minutes long, but well worth the watch if you can spare the time.
(That is if you can tolerate Jane Velez-Mitchell--she is sensible here, though.)
And Vinnie Politan simply rocks the house at the end. ┌( ಠ‿ಠ)┘
You Tube VIDEO | Published on Dec 18, 2012 by SanfordWatch | CREEPY ZIMMERMAN
Dave: Thank you. I'm looking forward to your new video! : ^ )
I realize that we will not likely see this for at least a month, but it's Serino's reports--so it will be interesting when they are finally released.
State's 10th Supplemental Discovery
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The headline and quote speak for itself, I guess. Good for Judge Nelson, though. This man hit the other man in back of the head with a shovel.
Orlando Sentinel | George Zimmerman judge denies 'stand your ground' in unrelated case
Been working on video for hours. Every so often, my software would crash and I'd have to rebuild parts of it. But it's finished and I'm uploading it to YouTube. I wrote the article this morning/afternoon, so I'm ready to go. Just waiting... and hoping it publishes OK.